Why I like the description of God as “jealous”

Often I hear people like Mr. Dawkins ask, “How could I believe in a god who feels such a petty emotion as jealousy?” I’ll set aside my opinion of calling jealousy an emotion for the moment and focus on the thrust of the statement.

The statement assumes that coveting — wanting someone else’s possessions or advantages — is first a bad thing, a crime, a sin, a pettiness that, when broken, leads to hypocrisy. God affirms this to be true in His commands.

The statement further assumes that God himself is guilty of such a crime and is therefore a hypocrite or at very least, rather petty. Envy tends to stem from a discontent with self while jealousy creates anger at another. Typically, this is uncharitable, unloving behavior.

But there is a jealousy that differs from all others.

See if my bride were to leave me and commit adultery on me, I would be jealous, but jealous in a very specific way. She is mine, I am hers, we are one together. I will suffer no rivals for my bride and will do everything to ensure that I am the one who loves her best. No one would blame me for jealousy in this situation. Jealousy here is not only justifiable, but just. It is good for me to suffer no rivals to my bride, for this shows love without conditions — a love willing to out-do, out-gun, out-perform all other loves. A love without rivals.

A love of a jealous kind.

That’s not pettiness. That’s faithfulness. That kind of jealousy has more in common with what the ancients called “long-suffering.”

And therefore, God’s jealousy is good where other jealousies fall far short.

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  1. sedula

    Yes. Yes. Yes. Nailed it. There is a warning against provoking god’s jealous indignation–the rage felt by one whose prerogatives are given to another. God’s reactions reflects his emotional tie to people, described metaphorically by the prophets as a marital bond.

    The jealous god is an interesting topic that has been argued by scholars for centuries as many people believe that it means god is not perfect and this makes them uncomfortable. But if he can love, become angry, annoyed, and have a sense of humor why is that okay but not jealousy?

    Besides, envy, jealousy and covetousness are three distinctly different emotions.

    He wouldn’t become jealous if he didn’t love us in the first place.

    1. lanceschaubert

      Agrees for the most part, some good thoughts there.

      I would push back a bit and say that “coveting” is big enough that it can include jealousy or envy (among other things), though doesn’t have to, and that the instances where jealousy and envy show goodness are far fewer than the instances where they show a corrupt heart.

      For instance “I envy your prayers” means simply “I am better off with your prayers and find myself discontent without them.” A similar example would be the difference between a father saying “I’m proud of you” an him being “a proud man.” The former shows pleasure over the fulfillment of a high and noble calling, the latter an arrogance of self over others.

      1. sedula

        Sure, when used in describing emotions, everything can be nuanced. And If one wants to say coveting includes envy and jealousy, sure, although greed, lust, vanity, pride, anger, and shame can also lead to a myriad of transgressions, including covetousness. I wasn’t arguing the specific combinations of emotions that can lead to another. Or the semantics of using them in a sentence to show how they can have multiple meanings.

        I was just supporting your original argument, I thought.

  2. sedula

    Huh? Jealousy isn’t an emotion?

    1. lanceschaubert

      Jealousy is not *only* an emotion, but a line of reasoning and a plan of action. We too often read Freud into the old ways of talking about virtue and vice. Jealousy, like honor or chastity, is more than an emotion.

      But that doesn’t make jealousy emotionless or ambivalent. In fact, I would argue the thoughts behind jealousy and the actions it produces make it as emotional as any other vice.

      1. sedula

        Yes, in science class I was taught that human jealousy was a combination of love, fear, and anger. In religious school, we were taught as you say, lines of reasoning, or choices of how to live one’s life (or as you say,plans of action). In your original statement above, you said you would put aside your opinion of calling jealousy an emotion.

        I stated in my silly way “Jealousy is not an emotion?” rather than asking you to explain why you set it aside to make your argument as I guess I felt you could make it without setting aside anything. But your meaning is clear to me now..

        I wouldn’t pin Freud with the responsibility of changing the old ways of talking about virtue and vice. Philosophy was taking some hefty swings at the way we think about god, good and evil long before Freud came along. Unfortunately these days Psychology has seemingly devoured its’ parents.

        1. sedula

          “Thinking” not just “Talking” re: Freud above.

        2. sedula

          I think because I am used to arguments/statements such as your post set down with a question at the end, that I sometimes have an automatic startled feeling as it seems as if you are “Laying down the way it is” rather than inviting debate.
          Please interpret my responses as part of a debate. 🙂

        3. lanceschaubert

          No totally, I’m tracking. And I love healthy debate, I was just out and about this weekend away from internet.

        4. lanceschaubert

          Bad preposition use. “…opinion *about* calling jealousy an emotion.” I don’t like when people refer to jealousy/wrath/rebellion as emotions. In fact, I don’t really like the phrase emotional intelligence either. I like the idea of showing how some people can navigate the emotional landscape better than others, but calling that an *intelligence* actually just insults the real geniuses in the audience. I find it a reaction to the praise of geniuses, which seems to me tethered to the whole anti-award culture. People fear greatness these days because of what it meant in the last century.

          However, the way I define greatness has no room for conquerers.

        5. lanceschaubert

          Oh no totally, Philosophy took its swings. But in the department of emotions?

          I consider modern Psychology a philosophy more than medical practice. And in many ways, a lesser philosophy for it’s seldom neo-platonic, for most of it focuses on supplements to the self rather than appeal to help from beyond.

  3. Mike Jones (@MIKEJONESPE)

    I enjoy being challenged by Mr. Schaubert’s thought provoking observations.

    1. lanceschaubert

      Thanks Mike.



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