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One of mine involves the etymology of the different names of things – we see the wind and stone. I’m curious where he got them.
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Someone showed me a decent discussion board going on over here.
I’m still collecting questions, even though they’ve cropped up in my email and on other posts. Feel free to put them here, but after spring break, I hope to dive head-long into this puppy.
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People have mentioned how Kv has no moral compass. That’s not entirely true as some things piss him off, innocent girls being raped, harrassed (by Ambrose), or brigands terrorizing the roads for instance. These things consistently evoke DRASTIC violent responses from Kvothe, after the culmination of which he starts to Sympathize with the Amyr, not only for their battle against the Chandrian, but for the way they dole out justice. Some of you suspect hidden Amyr documents behind the wall. Others suspect Maer on the opposite side of the Amyr hunt, explaining Denna’s song, and the facination with the lock-less box (parallel in mystery to the lock-less door in the library). Still others recognize that the most recent Amyr are human. I’ll add to these that after the crazy show-down with the bandits, Kvothe’s arms were covered with blood (Amyr tatoo, anyone?)
For your consideration: What if Kvothe’s best chance of defeating the Chandrian and/or the Cthaeh (if you’re in the crowd even considering that) was to find and join the Amyr?
I believe he will “find” the Amyr. They likely know him. Much speculation is hovering around which people in the story are Amyr and/or Chandrian.
I’ve always been suspicious of Master Lorren (Amyr?). He steers Kvothe clear of the Chandrian right away, plus he has that ultra calm steady way. Some think Elodin is Amyr but I am skeptical. Also, aren’t there two kinds of Amyr? The first ones and then the later zealots? Which ones will he find?
There are lots of ideas about the Ctheah, like the man who stole the moon is trapped inside, etc.
I’m not feeling that this is heading toward a happy ending based on his comments to Bast. I really think that the trilogy will be Kvothe telling the story of his life up until this point…but another thing to think about is why is he doing it? ‘Cause death is imminent? Why?
I think Kvothe opens the doors/box and something gets out. He’s hiding out but why? We don’t know yet! He kills a king…I think that may have something to do with Auri. If something bad happens to Auri, he will go after them in a rage. Some speculation is that Ambrose becomes king. I hope not!
This post is a potpourri of various thoughts. Not particulary thorough.
What names were you referring to when you mentioned etymology…the ones the namers know? I’m unclear on this.
yeah, i heard that stuff about the Cthaeh. honestly, I just think it’s a fae tree paralleling the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. I think it’s a personifications of knowledge gone amuck.
I think the story will converge with reality and Kvothe will have to make a decision between the sleepy town and what’s right or w’e. Every time we see the Waystone, the war & outside world keeps getting closer and closer, interfering all the more with every step. I think Kvothe will die to set things right, but it’s not a happy ending for him.
It might be a pandora’s box thing? I like the Auri stuff… I’ll have to think
also like potpourri. no sweat.
The etymology of, for instance: CYAEBERSALIEN which was what Elodin said.
A few things, I remember Felurian says that there are no true ‘human’ Amyr, so I am not sure where they are heading with that.
As for the door of stone, whether the one in the university or the one hinted at on the Lockless estate, I believe behind the door is the “first and greatest of shapers” as mentioned by Felurian. When she says that basically the one who stole the moon, started the war between the Fae and Humans, etc. is “shut beyond a door the doors of stone”.
That also leads me to believe that trapped inside the Lockless box is part of the name of the moon. The date seems to fit, and apparently the founder of their family was supposed to be great, powerful, etc.; it makes sense that he might be the greatest namer/shaper and the dude who stole the name of the moon.
Yeah, I get that. I also think that she has a Fae perspective, which isn’t necessarily objective.
I like the second part, and thought so myself (both the stone door & the piece of the moon). My question would be – why the latin on the door? It seems to translate into “the grappling hook/pulley up” or something of the sort.
Thoughts?
Could be the lockless box hold the name of the moon and once kvothe opens it the moon is whole so it has to choose between the two realms. This starts a war over who gets to keep the moon the fae or humans. idk just rambling
Actually, that’s a really good thought. I’ll have to mull that one over for awhile, but it would certainly make sense.
It might not be right on, but let’s go with that and see where it runs – the name of the moon…
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I have some theories I wish to discuss. As I have read the book in three day I skimmed over it again and reread parts I felt to be important. In doing so I have come to a few conclusions/assumptions that I wish to share. If I could get some input and hear what you guys think it would be appreciated.
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Kvothe is a Lockless.
The Maer’s wife had a sister who ran away with an Edema Ruh. Kvothe’s mother was once nobility that married his father. When the Maer’s wife sat next to Kvothe at dinner he found her figure to be slightly familiar, perhaps something like his beautiful mother who died long ago therefore not allowing him to fully recognize where he has seen her before. So is he considered nobility? I also can’t remember and couldn’t find the place in the story where it tells us if his mother was the older or the younger sister. If older that would mean that Kvothe is the true heir to their Lockless name granting him all of the estate. I need someone to find out if his mom was the older or younger and tell me. This would also mean that the ancient family heirloom is his too. Making much sense since the author put so much emphasis on the box. It may also bring into play the locked gate? on their property that brought about such hard time on the family. What is behind it? A hidden library about the Amyr and Chandrian explaining all. A library that was so needed and its importance much emphasized by the author pointing out the lack of material on them. Maybe a door leading to the Fae thus giving us light to Bast’s appearance. Maybe a secret hideout of the Amyr. Is it Kvothe’s destiny to find out. and Also he was given a wooden ring pronouncing him dead. Would that bode ill for the giver of the ring if this is true. Considering the the Maer thought the Lockless family was of power and strong lines of nobility; Also that they are not under the influence of the king, is that good?
Sorry to rant I have more things to discuss but this is all for now.
Okay, I’ve thought this through. It checks out. I’m going to forward this comment strand onto some of my wise man’s fear boys and girls and see if we can’t get some action.
Something to keep in mind – if Kvothe is nobility and Kvothe killed a king he could (a) kill his father – which makes since with nobility (b) kill someone to make himself king or (c) sacrifice himself as king and therefore become a “kingkiller”
thoughts?
Kvothe seems to be nobility from his mother’ side. (See his father’s song ‘not tally a lot less’ ~ Natalia Lockless?, or the Lockless daughter who ran off with the Edemah Ruh)
This is my speculation, some of it gets a bit dependent on other parts being on track;
He could kill any number of people in the line of royal succession and earn the name Kingkiller. He also claims to know the ‘truth about Princess Ariel.’ Remember how Elodin reacts when Kvothe tells him how he named Auri, and Auri isn’t a far stretch from Ariel. A conflict over a lost princess and a potential imposter could lead to Kvothe killing someone who tried to hurt Auri. It could be that some one high in the line of succession, Ambrose, knows of a beautiful woman, Denna, who could easily impersonate the missing Princess Ariel. Ambrose then uses the imposter to secure his place on the throne after Kvothe kills Ambrose’s father for replacing Auri in the first place.
Also I think Bast could be a member of the Amyr or the Sithe, He shows up to learn from the most dedicated enemy of the chandrian, He possesses a fanatical devotion to restoring Kvothe to his previous glory, even risking Kvothe’s life; at the hands of deserters and by leaking news of his existence to draw Chronicler.
Yeah, people talked about the the “not tally a lot less” on the Westeros forum a lot. I think there’s a strong case there. I seriously like the idea of him killing his own parents or killing himself. That fits more with the Campbellian model that Rothfuss keeps critiquing, and they’d be in line for royalty. If Kvothe could be king and kill that off. Of course, if he renames himself – if he changes his name – then that could be construed as killing as well.
Yeah, I remember that too. Elodin tends to be a marker for all things naming. Any time the guy freaks out and focuses, I’m paying attention. Jeez that whole Ambrose thing’s thought out, enough that it might work, but as is I’m confused. I think you’re saying that Auri’s the rightful heir and Kvothe returns her to the throne? Thus the war?
I’ve got a friend who has a VERY compelling argument concerning the Amir/Chandrian relationship and who really killed Kvothe’s parents, but he made me swear not to tell…